An Outrageous Proposition
I just got home to Colorado Springs from a week's trip to Chicago, and whereas a week sounds like a long time, well, it may be when you're 12. I am not 12. Poof! The week was there and gone.
But I had an idea yesterday that I'm going to pursue in this space. It's a challenge, to myself and to all of you, to engage in an outrageous experiment here in Contra. This will require the comments feature here on LiveJournal (alas, I'm not quite ready to move Contra over to Wordpress yet) but that isn't the tough part. The aim of the experiment is to see if the larger "we" (again, myself and all of you) can engage in online political discussion completely devoid of anger.
I do not mean that you can't be angry; that's unreasonable and may be impossible. What I want you to do is write without anger. That takes some effort but it can be done, and it's a useful skill to have. I've found that forcing myself to write without expressing anger allows me to think more clearly. In some weird way, it decouples my anger from my rational mind and leaves it on a side track for awhile where it won't get in the way of the points I'm trying to put across.
Note that this is a challenge, but (for a limited time only! As not seen on TV!) it is also the rules. I have a rule for Contra that I don't invoke very often: You can be either angry or anonymous on my blog but you cannot be both. I delete ten or twelve comments a year from anonymous flamers who come out of nowhere and flame either me or someone in the comments. I sometimes give them a chance to identify themselves, but this rarely happens. Mostly I get another flame, and then the thread goes where all flames eventually go: Out. But until I finish up this series on politics, a new rule applies: No anger. It applies from today's entry until I call the whole thing done, which will almost certainly be when I go get my mouth worked on next week. Until then, angry comments will be deleted.
However, there's one final wrinkle: If and when I discern anger in a comment, I'm going to point it out in a nonjudgmental fashion and ask my readers if they agree that the message contains anger. I reserve the right to override the vote, but I promise to consider it seriously. A thumbs-up or -down is sufficient, but explaining why you agree or disagree with me regarding the presence of anger in the comment (not with the comment's factual content, which should be done separately) could be interesting.
I will be watching for the very human tendency to see anger more clearly in people you disagree with. I may or may not say anything, but I will be watching.
Let's see what happens.
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Some of the most reliable political theater (though generally not the best) proceeds from promised tax cuts. If I were to flip the Magic 8-Ball this second, it would predict that neither party will even attempt a tax cut in the next two years, irrespective of which wins. All the promises we've heard will be quietly forgotten, and probably explained by the obvious truth: We cannot afford to cut taxes at this time. The Bush tax cuts will quietly expire, and among the ill and elderly wealthy there will be more assisted suicides (both willing and unwilling) in 2010 than a civilized nation should tolerate. The Magic 8-Ball says no more than that, other than its standard mantra when answering political questions: "You are all behind me now."
What I want to talk about tonight is another oft-heard mantra: "The rich aren't paying their fair share!" What never seems to come up in discussion is what the "fair share" would actually be. I want some hard numbers here. I remember reading of a psych experiment years ago in which people were asked a question something like this: "One man makes $10,000 a year. Another man makes ten times that amount. In a truly fair income tax system, how much more should the second man pay in income taxes than the first man?" The several choices ran from "The same" through an ascending scale of multipliers, like 2X, 5X, 10X, 50X, 100X, and 1000X. Overwhelmingly, people answered "10X" and seemed to think (as gleaned from subsequent discussions with the experimenters) that this was a progressive tax. It's not. It's a flat tax. The experiment was (if I recall) about leading questions, and this was only one question among many. But it suggests to me that we as a nation don't even remotely understand the tax system that we have, which is unsurprising, given that most Americans probably couldn't even lift the tax code. This makes the discussion difficult and complex.
We do have some hard numbers on the state of things as they now exist: 26% of Federal tax receipts come from the wealthiest 1%, which comprise 1.1 million individuals. The wealthiest 6% of taxpayers (5.6 million individuals) contribute 42% of all Federal receipts. The poorest 40% of Americans pay no Federal taxes at all beyond the Social Security payroll tax. And that's looking at Federal taxes generally; if you look at income taxes alone the picture is even more striking: For tax year 2005, IRS numbers tell us that the wealthiest 1% paid 39% of all income tax revenues. The top 10% paid 70%. This is a pretty progressive system. The question we need to ask ourselves as a nation is whether it's progressive enough, and we need to be brave enough to talk about real numbers.
There are two complications that need to be part of that discussion. First of all, the very rich have a great deal of control over how much their income is and when they get it. This is why tax receipts often go down when tax rates are raised: The rich simply cut back on generating new income and draw on their cash reserves until they call their tax guys and figure out which loopholes they can switch to in order to reduce their tax liability. This is in large part why the very rich have not been champions of the flat tax or other radical tax simplification schemes: Any such scheme would increase their liability hugely because such systems offer little flexibility and few loopholes.
The second complication is related to the first: It's not a good idea for the Federal government to depend on so few taxpayers for so much of its tax revenue, because the fewer people are paying, the "wigglier" and less predictable the numbers get. Even short-term planning becomes fluky, because a change in tax laws, or even an innovative new investment mechanism, can sweep across the finance business in less than a year, making previous tax revenue projections obsolete. The very rich share a common culture, and their money is "shaped" by a relatively few large banks and financial services firms. Small changes in the way money is handled are thus hugely leveraged.
I haven't even touched on the argument that everybody should pay something in income taxes simply to have a stake in the economy and the government. I only want to point out that Federal revenues would be a lot more stable and predictable if hundreds of millions of people are each paying a little (and those at the top paying a lot) than if only the people at the top are paying at all.
And on that note, I've got dogs to walk. More tomorrow. Remember: Keep your cool! (We may all learn something if you do!)

Changing the marginal tax rate from 36% to 39.5% (which is what's on the table) will undoubtedly change some behavior. The question is "how much change"?
(Anonymous)
Was Marx right?
At a time when we, as a country, are living far beyond our means our candidates are promising tax cuts and increased government services. I think they know better but they also know it is impossible to be elected if they speak the hard truth: If we are to avoid bankruptcy we must reduce our government benefits and increase taxes.
Marx wrote, “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”
I wonder if this is our inevitable end.
-David
Consider how much a couple needs to have in assets in order to have a "comfortable" retirement of up to 20 years when their only other source of income is an increasingly uncertain stream from Social Security -- I expect that if I have enough income to live comfortably by my lights including Social Security that I'll be deemed to have too much income to receive Social Security. Then tell them that if they die before they use it up, that the government is going to grab half of the amount over $1 million.
You will see a lot of irate older taxpayers. And irate older taxpayers tend to vote. A lot. :)
I've frequently opined that a more reasonable estate tax limit would be something like 15% (the current capital gains rate) on assets over $5 million. I was somewhat surprised when I opened up the paper the other day to see those figures as McCain's proposal for estate taxes.
I mean, a direct hit. Who'da thunk it? :)
I'da thunk it. You're one of a thin handful of my friends who actually understands finance, rather than simply thinks that they do.
Another question that comes up is whether or not an estate tax rate (irrespective of the exclusion) should be progressive; i.e., 15% on the first five million beyond the exclusion, 25% on the next ten million, and 40% on anything over that. There's no reason why an estate tax has to be flat; in fact, it may make more sense to have a flat income tax and a progressive estate tax.
What really slags any tax system are the complexities and the loopholes, neither of which appear to be in the gunsights of either party this cycle.
(Anonymous)
Taxes
Suppose Bill Gates or Warren Buffett went out and started trading commodities and options and currencies at maximum volume while also drinking two quarts of bourbon every day. He could easily lose, say, $10 billion, making him the poorest man in America on the basis of current income. Should his -$10 billion be included in the cumulative income of the bottom quintile? It would be enough to skew the national numbers.
That's not likely to happen. But I'd bet that every year there's some oil wildcatter who has a string of dry holes and loses a few $million. Where does he get counted?
Until we can answer these questions, a lot of these issues can't be properly discussed.
Rich Rostrom
Your data do not support your conclusion.
What proportion of the national income to the top 1%, top 6%, etc. receive? Warren Buffet is on record that he pays a smaller fraction of his income in taxes than his housekeeper does . . .
I have seen some plots showing the numbers you want, and I think it's reasonably flat. i.e. the top 1% makes about 26% of the total income and pays about 26% of the total tax. To some level it surprised me when I saw that plot, as I was totally expecting that the top 1% paid a much smaller proportion of their income in taxes. Otherwise why is that number always hidden in these things.
"This is in large part why the very rich have not been champions of the flat tax or other radical tax simplification schemes: Any such scheme would increase their liability hugely because such systems offer little flexibility and few loopholes."
I have to believe that the real answer is that the percentage you pay has various dips and humps as you go along the income axis, and that varies more by the accountants you hire.
The conclusion that I do come to--though I haven't posted it here before--is that the problem cannot really be addressed unless the loopholes go away, and the rich on both the left and the right will fight like cornered animals to retain the current code. A simple tax does not have to be a flat tax.
In fact, we may not be able to clearly determine whether our current tax system is progressive or regressive until such time as we eliminate loopholes. Behavior changes as rates change because behavior among the rich can radically change rates. Until there's no escaping your top bracket on techicalities, the discussion itself is indeterminate.
Twenty years ago I was genuinely angry. I hated. These days, I can't muster the amperage. I still believe what I believe, but nowadays there's a lot more comme ci comme ça boron control rods shoved in the pile.
(Anonymous)
Taxes
(Anonymous)
Taxes, hard data
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/d
"Soak the rich" is not a successful tax policy. Successful tax policy is "skim it evenly" -- skim money off the whole economy without disrupting it.
Of course this gets into the question of whether the purpose of taxation is to raise money or to alter behavior.
Re: Taxes, hard data
Re: Taxes, hard data
Re: Taxes, hard data
(Anonymous)
Tax fairness and the way forward
My answer is a flat tax with a poverty exemption to be claimed by everyone, and then add in clearly identified loopholes for desired behavior.
Want investment in green technologies? Put a loophole on the flat tax and give it a clearly defined lifetime. Engage in a conversation with the public about what sorts of things are legitimate for government to pay for, what should be done privately, and what should be negotiable based on the season.
Democratic control of taxpayer dollars should also be phased in. Don't believe in war? Earmark your discretionary tax dollars for all but DoD. Want to support the troops to the hilt? Put 100% on your tax form next to the DoD entry. This would do two things. It would remove some of the considerable power from the government, a level of power that I don't think that the founders envisioned. It would also require the politicians to engage the public in dialog about spending priorities. Need more funding for X, Y or Z? Go to the taxpayers! They should have the power to direct a portion of their taxes to the things that they believe in.
I'm being a bit of a smart-ass here, but the I truly think the answer is not a single number. At the height of WWII, the highest marginal tax rate was 94%. That's too high for non-emergency times, and the 50% it was at for much of the 1970s was stifling growth.
My point is that we buy civilization with taxes. The question is how much civilization do you want? Haiti has a very low (defacto) tax rate, but it also has a booming market in household generators and armored cars, because there's not much "civilization" to be had.
(Anonymous)
Government. Who needs it?
Sometimes I wonder why the country doesn't have this conversation. My cynical side answers that it's unpleasant to admit that governments have their limits and can't be all things to all people. Better, at least for our feelings, to bypass it and move on to other things. But this conversation must take place and it must be done not once but on a frequent, regular basis.
First, let us decide on the role of government and then we can debate how best it should fulfill that role.
-David
(Anonymous)
politics without anger
An old govt. teacher colleague of mine used to claim that "voting a straight party ticket is the only thing that matters; individual politicians don't matter except in rare, dire circumstances, when you get a Lincoln or a Truman, and then just until the war's over. Party machines, he thought were what got things done, fixed the potholes and built the colleges at the municipal and state level, and actually accomplished things like a Marshall Plan or G.I. Bill at the Feseral....of course, he was a drunk, but much of what he said made sense...Sometimes a president appoints a judge or someone who matters, but they don't get confirmed without broad party support. "So go ahead, jerk that donkey, elephant, or hammer and sickle."
Economics--they haven't really enforced the antitrust laws since Reagan's administration...going back at least as far as TR we can seethat unregulated lessez-faire capitalism leads pretty quickly to a Microsoft, a Standard Oil, or a US Steel...or at least an oligop[oly, a hanful of monster banks and insurance companies that are TOO BIG to Fail, and so avoid the crash-and-burn of true free markets, and get big bailouts...
A REGULATED Monopoly like MaBell in the first 3/4 of the 20th Century, can function very efficiently, provide stable careers and great R&D like Bell Labs, but usually at a higher cost to the consumer than a competitive marketplace...Still, this system gave us the transistor, the Laser, and a DEW radar warning system in 6 months, plus similar feats... a pain in the ass for individual customers to deal with (no anger here, go watch 'The President's Analyst' TPC Rules!
Many voters are childishly selfish and irresponsible--they don't want to pay ANY taxes, and want unlimited Govt. benefits..
They want THEIR way on symbolic hot button issues(slavery, abortion, flag burning, gay marriage, guns, ) and (this is important) they want the govt. to punish those they dislike or disagree with (those @#$%^&hippies, dopers, welfare cheats, lawnmower nazis, crooked bankers and absentee landlords, union bosses, godless Viking beekeepers, and similar scum of the earth.
Astute politicians realize this, and when asked a question like" how are you going to pay for the new, 200 million dollar school board office?" will divert debate into flag burning, killer clones, and Godless Viking beekeepers....
All govts. are tempted to inflate the currency by printing more money...remember when 'dollars to doughnuts' was a case of extreme, 20-1 odds? like, a donut was a nickel. Check out a Krispy Kreme, Dunkin, or Tim Horton today, EH?
(yes, Virginia, they used to have dime coffee, nickel Cokes....a New Mustang was 2400 dollars, and minimum wage was a buck... I remember buying 100 octane premium gas for 26 cents, and I'm not that old.
Personally I think we ought to start making stuff again, , not just selling each other insurance and cell phone minutes...fix the passenger railroads, we shouldn't have to buy locomotives from Sweden, Maybe have a REAL Space Program...like the
MODEST proposal by Von Braun and Disney for a Mars Mission FIVE nuclear ships, each bigger than the space station in '2001'
Finish the other half of the Alaska Pipline, the one for the natgas, get the dead auto plants building windmills, we shouldn't have to buy windmills with Euros....
I don't care whether it's the govt. or a regulated big corporation, just do it, in my lifetime....George M. Ewing, wa8wte
Re: politics without anger
That said, in my state (MA), I believe in the opposite problem: Government is bad, corrupt, evil/Private sector is good and can do everything for everybody. We have a referendum question proposing to abolish the state income tax.
I believe if it passes, we may all get a painful example of what government can or cannot do, but we'll also find that the much-vaunted private sector can't and won't do "everything" either.
{And we'll always be angry and cynical in MA, what with that state senator charged by the FBI for using Maidenform Mutual as her bank.)